SVanguards - The ones that never made it

David Lynn

136 posts

It went for £210, plus £8 postage. If by any chance the buyer ever reads this, I'd love to know if has the paint flaws seen on the handful of other known examples (streaks and "orange peel" bubbling on the roof and/or boot top) and the certificate number (so far 1115 and 1119 are known of 2960).

I can't give a number for how many survived into circulation, but I know of 4 or 5 (one may or may not be a double count), with 3 (or 4) being fully boxed with certificates and the other unboxed. One trade box (6 or 12 examples??) seems to have slipped into the big wide world in Britain, and two examples came over from Chinese factory sources on ebay (one boxed with certificate, and the unboxed orphan). So there's probably a few more out there but unlikely to be very many. Unless of course there's a hidden stash somewhere on a pallet in the back of a warehouse, left over from when the conjectured production batch was pulled because - presumably - of the paint flaws.

Hi there members,I was just wondering if any of you know whether Corgi will ever be releasing a model of the Vauxhall Firenza as theyve released the Viva and i would love them to release a Firenza,also they have released the Vauxhall Cavalier mk2 model but have not released the mk1 saloon model along with the mk1 hatchback/coupe model,I would be very grateful with any info please and thank you in advance.

PR Enis

32 posts

@gerald wilcox

Hi there members,I was just wondering if any of you know whether Corgi will ever be releasing a model of the Vauxhall Firenza as theyve released the Viva and i would love them to release a Firenza,also they have released the Vauxhall Cavalier mk2 model but have not released the mk1 saloon model along with the mk1 hatchback/coupe model,I would be very grateful with any info please and thank you in advance.

Oxford Diecast already make the Firenza Gerald and have released a couple of colourways, maybe more?. Perhaps Corgi can offer a Viva HC or a Victor FD series instead

@David Lynn

It went for £210, plus £8 postage. If by any chance the buyer ever reads this, I'd love to know if has the paint flaws seen on the handful of other known examples (streaks and "orange peel" bubbling on the roof and/or boot top) and the certificate number (so far 1115 and 1119 are known of 2960).

I can't give a number for how many survived into circulation, but I know of 4 or 5 (one may or may not be a double count), with 3 (or 4) being fully boxed with certificates and the other unboxed. One trade box (6 or 12 examples??) seems to have slipped into the big wide world in Britain, and two examples came over from Chinese factory sources on ebay (one boxed with certificate, and the unboxed orphan). So there's probably a few more out there but unlikely to be very many. Unless of course there's a hidden stash somewhere on a pallet in the back of a warehouse, left over from when the conjectured production batch was pulled because - presumably - of the paint flaws.

I've recently imported a fully boxed Ford Sierra from China. There is some minor paint bubbling, mainly on the roof, but also a small amount on part of the bonnet and driver's door. The certificate number is 2105.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CORGI-LLEDO-VANGUARDS-FORD-SIERRA-SAPPHIRE-GLS-BLACK-CAR-MODEL-VA09901-1-43-/372302436962

Jonboy4969

64 posts

Shame you have STOPPED anyone asking you a question about it via eBay - surely as these are cancelled items the IP reverts to Corgi, and any models released are in breach of their terms & Conditions of sale - or in other words, they were pinched from the factory - so you are in receipt of stolen goods ?

@Jonboy4969

Shame you have STOPPED anyone asking you a question about it via eBay - surely as these are cancelled items the IP reverts to Corgi, and any models released are in breach of their terms & Conditions of sale - or in other words, they were pinched from the factory - so you are in receipt of stolen goods ?

We stopped questions because ebay messages are now read by bots and both buyers and sellers have had their accounts suspensed or closed for innocent messages that the bots have incorrectly thought were in breach of ebay rules. https://tamebay.com/2017/09/ebay-start-suspending-sellers-buyers-asked-question.html

I would assume that Corgi would have exercised their option not to pay for the models due to their paint defects therefore ownership would remain with the producer and hence how the models have remained in China.

David Lynn

136 posts

I guess this new example comes from a batch of 7 (so far)  listed consecutively by a Chinese ebay seller over the last couple of weeks - search on "Corgi Drive Time Ford Sierra Sapphire GLS" to find his latest example which still has 4 days to run. He seems to be using the same certificate photo - #2122 - with every listing.

 

So in addition to the previous UK discoveries with certificate numbers in the low 1100s, there seeems to be a new nest in China with low 2100s. And it resolves something I'd never been sure about - the certificates are packaged in at the source factory, not added on arrival in UK.

 

@David Lynn

I guess this new example comes from a batch of 7 (so far)  listed consecutively by a Chinese ebay seller over the last couple of weeks - search on "Corgi Drive Time Ford Sierra Sapphire GLS" to find his latest example which still has 4 days to run. He seems to be using the same certificate photo - #2122 - with every listing.

 

So in addition to the previous UK discoveries with certificate numbers in the low 1100s, there seeems to be a new nest in China with low 2100s. And it resolves something I'd never been sure about - the certificates are packaged in at the source factory, not added on arrival in UK.

 

That's correct about certificates David, most trade boxes of models are never opened until they reach the retailer from China. The larger trade boxes all have the model number & item description, as well as Hornby via Thamesport printed on them. Generally in other industries only 10% of arrivals are checked by quality control and only if there's major problems will they go to a 100% check.

David Lynn

136 posts

I bought one of the ebay examples in the ongoing batch of 7 seen so far, and it's now arrived. Identical to my two others as described in previous comments, including the paint faults, although in this case they are the least obvious of the trio, with just orange-peel pimpling without drips or streaking. However this affects the widest area of body surfacing, with roof, boot, bonnet and driver's side all afflicted. The only surprise is a certificate number in the 0380s, which is a new area of the sequence alongside the previously noted 1110s and the 2100s apparent from at least 2 of this current batch.

 

While I don't put much emphasis on the certificate numbers being solidly reliable, three different number clusters are intriguing for the possibility that the full intended run of 2960 may have been produced before the plug was pulled, and the consequent questions of what might have happened to them. How do you scrap a couple of thousand or more fully packaged models - what actually happens? Do workers dissemble everything so that boxes, cases, and maybe components can be reused? Or does the whole caboodle just get thrown into a furnace or incinerator, or maybe bulldozed into a landfill site? 

Interesting thread. I have just bought one of these black Sierra GLS models from a Chinese seller on eBay, the certificate number is 1833. I did note that the picture on eBay showed the certificate number 2122. The model has paint flaws to the roof, driver's side and boot, these show up under a strong light but are barely noticeable when casually viewed through the acrylic case. Initially I thought that it may have been produced by devious (Using another base model) means but I can see no sign of this at all and I believe the model to be quite genuine. At the time of writing I note that there is another for sale by the same seller with the usual certificate number of 2122, it has about 18 hours to run and the bid stands around £18.00. I find it strange that the model took just over a week to arrive considering it is supposed to have been sent from China. The return address on the packaging is in Middlesex. The model was delivered on its plinth within the acrylic case, the box is in excellent condition and the certificate and Drive Time paperwork was enclosed. 

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